AUTHOR SUBJECT: Star Wars: Is it good?
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Posted: 9/20/2017 2:35:18 AM
I've been reading a book on George Lucas and enjoyed all the trials and tribulations of making Star Wars.  Doesn't seem George Lucas enjoyed the making of it at all.  It was hell from start to finish.   

But of course on the release of the film, people stood in line for days for billions of miles and wanted to see it repeatedly, which made me think the film itself must be some fantasmagorical experience to watch.  It was a severely successful commercial venture.  

So recently I spotted a discount Star Wars DVD release at the store, and after all the hype and history I've been reading, had to know what this wonder was.  

I forced myself to try and sit through it, but after an hour, I just couldn't anymore. 

At first I'm like hey this is gonna be good;  it's got like robots in the desert kinda like my own movie with the flying robots in the desert.

But soon it was just like... I don't even know what.  I can't get myself to be into it.  It soon just relies on some space politics of some kind.  "Rebellion"?  Yawn. 

I keep catching myself daydreaming looking at the wall instead of the TV, and I have to rewind to see what I missed. 

And that shiny robot is stolen from Buck Rogers and scaled up.

The obviously later added cgi is terrible.  I wish I could see the previous version with just the real life puppets in it.  

I'll try and force myself to watch at least to the end of the first movie, but while the making of Star Wars was a struggle for Lucas, the watching of Star Wars is a struggle for me. 

What am I missing?  Why did people like this so?  

Not that it has no possibilities;  I'm sure if it was cut down to a 30 minute flick, I'd be able to enjoy it.  

What is the key to liking Star Wars?  Do you like Star Wars? 

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Posted: 9/20/2017 3:45:41 PM
 "What is the key to liking Star Wars?"

I dunno.        
"Do you like Star Wars?"

Yes! I saw it probably 4-5 times in the theatre. I still remember the nationwide contests to see who would attend the most showings. Some people watched Star Wars hundreds of times in the theatres! Besides all that, I have multiple copies on various formats. 

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Posted: 9/20/2017 11:27:22 PM
Right.  So it was more about the cultural experience than the actual content.  Makes sense I guess. 

It's got the sets and the costumes and the special effects and the soap opera storyline happening on screen, but I'm just not believing it. 

I really wanted to like it.  Maybe if I just watch a little bit of it every day and let it grow on me over time I might limitize the disappointment yet.  It has happened before that I don't like something at first and then later get it.  

"I have multiple copies on various formats. "

More Aldridges???  

Oh wait.  You mean the Star Wars movie.  

Do you have the 8 minute version?  I read in this book there's an 8 minute version on 8mm film that they released in the days of 8mm home projectors.  Now that one I'm sure I won't find boring. 

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Posted: 9/21/2017 1:04:49 AM
 A shorter version? Oh, you must mean this one.


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Posted: 9/21/2017 1:55:34 AM
No but this one is good too. 

Love the lightsaber light ray in the smoke.  Genius. 

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Posted: 9/21/2017 11:04:19 AM
Found it.  For what it's worth. 

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Posted: 9/21/2017 2:33:47 PM
Ok we're at the start of the second movie.  Already lots better and less boring than that first one.  What a struggle that first one was. 

I'm gonna watch through them all yet!!!  Except the prequels.  We gotta draw the line somewhere.

Pweeeeeeeeee, pweeeeeeeeeee, pweepweepweepweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeepwee,
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and so forth. 

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Posted: 9/24/2017 10:43:52 PM
Thank goodness I finally saw the appeal now that I'm through the second film.  This "The Empire Strikes Back" is good. 

Will I like the 3rd one?  Time shall tell later. 

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Posted: 10/4/2017 9:03:20 AM
Really? You're asking if Star Wars is good? Star Wars was the cultural phenomena of the last century. Your question implies that you have never heard of Star Wars or that you heard of it only in the sense that you know there was a film called Star Wars made in the 70's... My question is; is it just you or did the Star Wars phenomena go by unnoticed in South Africa? Seriously.
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Posted: 10/4/2017 9:13:54 PM
Oh yes, my George Lucas / Star Wars study. 

Well I finished the book which I enjoyed.  With no more reading the book, I wasn't reminded to watch Star Wars anymore and forgot for a long time.  But I did watch the last movie Sunday I think.   

Aside from the flying motorbike scene, I struggled to watch through this one the most.  I just didn't believe little teddy bears from the bronze age with limited movement could bring down an advanced army from 30whateveryear.  I tried to suspend belief but still couldn't believe it.  Instead, I felt like running into the scene and kicking those bears so they go flying through the air.     

Overall I think the political conditioning of Star Wars is offputting, although it can be expected from something called "Star Wars". 

The only thing I like is R2D2.  I think for my next movie I'll create a robot based on R2D2 but more practical. 

As for the other prequels and sequels of Star Wars, I'm not even going there.  I have some vulgar tale to tell about Episode One but that's personal.  

What I liked most about my Star Wars / George Lucas study was the book mentioned above that started it all.  

In his early years I saw a lot of myself in George Lucas.  A fun journey to be sure. 

But since this book describes real life, it's also a very sad journey.  Sad how it all inevitably ends with old age and having to let it all go. 

Also, he didn't just have successful Star Wars movies.  Some of his other failed projects I can only say WTF was he thinking starting that??  

Like his pro-black phase where he started a project that hired only black people for all positions, both on and off screen, to prove that black people are da bomb.  Yes, in true libtard fashion even George Lucas practised openly and purposefully anti-white, anti-brown racism.  Fortunately his black-only project failed miserably and he never had a taste for it again, although of course in true hypocrite-minded libtard fashion, he blamed everybody else for their "racism" and their refusal to promote black people above all, instead of realising he's been the biggest racist of all himself by starting a project in which people's skin color is the only qualifying criterium. 

But it seems he made himself feel better by marrying a black woman to prove that... well who knows what. 

Anyway, soon George Lucas was too old and had to sign Star Wars over to Disney.  Something he controlled profusely became something he had no control over anymore, and this was the biggest struggle for him about the whole thing.  He still tried to exercise some control by handing them notes on what should happen in the next movie, but they used none of his ideas whatsoever.   

And now, after a life so full of big things and insane riches, all that remains is to die. 

I guess the lesson of the book is, no matter what you accomplish, eventually you'll get too old to handle whatever you built up, and you will have to rid yourself of it and let others take over and violate what was once your personal vision and passion. 

No, that sounds too sad.  I actually found this book inspiring, not depressing.  It's an adventure and an example of what can be done in the world of filmmaking if you really want to be at the top of making films and creating fictional thingies for people's amusement. 

Actually no, one thing that's clear in the book is that it's not the movies that made George Lucas rich;  it's the merchandising which paid him twice as much as any movie.  The movies were merely the commercials for the toys.  So there's another lesson for us filmmaking enthusiasts right there. 

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Posted: 10/4/2017 9:15:52 PM
"You're asking if Star Wars is good? Star Wars was the cultural phenomena of the last century."

I still don't see you saying it's good though. 

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Posted: 10/4/2017 10:24:20 PM
 Dude, it was great.  Remember, this was 1977.  Sci-fi movies were usually slow moving - SILENT RUNNING, 2001, etc.  When this movie came out, it was such a shock; wholly different from anything that came before.  And, it was fun!  

Some highlights:

1) The story of the farm boy, who goes on to save the rebellion and give hope to the galaxy, is a classic Hero's Journey example.

2) The opening crawl of text, leading into an amazing shot of a planet, rebel ship, and a huuuuuge Star Destroyer! 
This shot has imitated to the point that you don't realize how special it was.  I could say the same about the entire movie, which was imitated ad-nauseum for decades to come.

3) Laurel and Hardy droids.  This was their story.  Even though they were machines, this pair is who the audience followed and identified with.  R2 D2's capture by the Jawas, getting sucked into their crawler, filled with other droids, was amazing; and it didn't need a bit of dialogue to explain it.

4) Rich characters.  Before James Cameron unleashed Sarah Connor and Ellen Ripley, Princess Leia was a strong female lead, before that stuff was in vogue.  Darth Vader, Chewbacca, Han Solo - all amazing.  Mark Hamill is so good at acting ordinary, you just believe that Luke is that way.

5) The sound FX!!!!!!!!!  Elephant roars and cars on wet pavement for TIE fighters, Buzzy projectors and TV sets for Light Sabers.  Hitting the guy-wire of an AM radio transmitter tower with a hammer for blasters.  Just genius!

6) The musical score.  Possibly the best, ever.

7) The art design - Vader, Storm Troopers, TIE fighters, X-wings, Y-Wings, Star Destroyers, Land Speeders, Light Sabers, everything!!!!!

8) The Force.  Yes, please don't see the prequels, because they ruin this.  The level of mysticism surrounding Jedis and the Force was so strong an idea, that Francis Ford Coppola tried to convince Lucas to start an actual religion around it.  Thankfully, that didn't pan out.

9) Hyperspace.  Remember, we had not seen something quite realized like that.  We all sat in a big, loud theater and it was just awesome to experience for the first time (and second).

10)  Clearly defined good versus bad guys.  Then there was Han Solo, who was sitting on the fence.  Yes, he shot first.  But, he came around and his decision was the difference maker, when destroying the Death Star.

11) Computer controlled motion cameras.  This wasn't CGI; those trench scenes were all models.  This kind of camera work had not been seen on this kind of scale, before.

There are many more points.  So, you got to watch this on a TV, with less than theater sound, 40 years after the fact.  Is it any wonder you don't understand?

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Posted: 10/5/2017 4:54:52 AM
Star Wars episodes IV - VI 

Yes.  they were good.  They were very very good.  Mike summed up good point but it would be easier and quicker to sum up what wasn't good about the movies since nearly everything was beyond revolutionary,,,,, in a way.

The thing to remember about Star Wars is that it was a complete rip off of the old Flash Gordon series Starring Buster Crabbe;  The opening crawl, Ming the merciless, spaceships, a light bridge, and other things that I remember comparing when I was younger but can't quite remember today. 

The crowd that loved Star Wars was too young to remember Flash Gordon. The people who did remember it were still blown away because, although Lucas borrowed heavily from the series, he did it in such a new and vibrant way.  Lucas and ILM (headed by John Dykstra) and Ben Burt (sound design), and Stuart Freeborn (Make-up/Creature creator) and of course John Williams with his breath taking score... The planets truly aligned, so to speak, with that series of films. It was classic story telling but told in a setting we had never seen before with characters that challenged our imaginations.  If Star Wars would have failed, it would have failed big, but it didn't. It has been speculated that the world was in need of some optimism after the Viet Nam war (the American war) and Star Wars offered that hope; A New Hope, if you will... For me, I fell in love with Special Effects.  This was long before the internet. Information was scarce but I sought it out and learned all I could about the new 4 head optical printer and rotoscope cameras and pyrotechnics not to mention latex masks, articulated masks, blue screen, the color difference theory and how it was used... There was a world of magic out there and I wanted to be a part of it.  Between Planet of the Apes, The Exorcist, and Star Wars - I felt my purpose in life was to be a special effects guy... 

I think if you asked any 10 Star Wars fans from back in the day to write an essay about what the Star Wars holy trilogy meant to them you would get 10 very different papers.  For some people, Star Wars had a deeply religious message.  For some it was high adventure in a world they would have given anything to have lived in.

Yeah, it was good.

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Posted: 10/8/2017 12:15:29 AM
"My question is; is it just you or did the Star Wars phenomena go by unnoticed in South Africa?"

I'm afraid I wasn't born yet so I can't tell you what the Star Wars reception was like in South Africa. 

But thank you y'all for sharing first hand experience of what it was like to live through the movie's release.  I found it most fascinating. 

Elephant roars and cars on wet pavement for TIE fighters"

Is that what it was?  Sounded like screaming.  It was the one sound that I felt was really not the right one for a spacecraft.  (TIE fighters are the Empire's ships that sound like screaming when they fly, right?)

Rich characters. "

.... Riiiiiiiiight........ :o)

Clearly defined good versus bad guys."

I actually had trouble determining what was so bad about The Empire.  They don't do anything that a standard modern government doesn't do, like the U.S. Government for example. 

Why is The Empire labeled bad again? 

Is it any wonder you don't understand?"

No but that's why I'm learning from you guys.  

For some people, Star Wars had a deeply religious message."

Yes, it's obviously based on Ancient Astronaut Theories which in them is the basis for religion.  That's why it starts with "A long time ago in a galaxy far away" instead of "Far into the future in a galaxy far away... etc."

ILM (headed by John Dykstra)"

According to this book, John Dykstra turned out to be a moneywaster and a competely ill-disciplined worker whom George Lucas had to cut loose later on. 

Between Planet of the Apes"

I love the original Planet Of The Apes, even though the face masks and mouth movements are rather terrible and imperfect.  It still has soul. 

And of course a political message of sorts that I haven't yet cared to decipher.  Like mankind has overrun the gods, monkeys shall overrun mankind? 

Meh.  Boggom boggom.  I'm gonna go eat a banana.  

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Posted: 10/8/2017 1:05:12 AM
 Mike hit the nail on the head...ya gotta see Star Wars in a nice theatre with a killer sound system to really appreciate it. Actually, the same could be said for a ton of other films. I would love to see Forbidden Planet on the wide screen! Ya know, a person could do a sweet business I think owning a theatre and going all retro. Show nothing but classics that people otherwise couldn't enjoy the way they were supposed to.

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Posted: 10/8/2017 5:09:37 AM
I took the time to type out a long letter but for some reason, it won't post.  I have it saved but I am unalble to cut and paste it.. When I try. The words flash across the white posting area then vanish....

I'm not re-typing anything... All I was going to say is that the make-ups in the ape films is good and so are the characters in Star wars :(

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Posted: 10/8/2017 6:34:37 AM
Yeah the ape makeup is not bad but when they talk it's not right either.  The mouths looked restricted if I remember correctly.  But at least it's not cgi so it's still fun. 

And I'm not saying I'm anti-Star Wars, just that I'd rather watch one of your little James Rogers flicks than sit through any long Star Wars movie.  Yes, I find your work more agreeable than that of George Lucas, can you believe that?  Make us another James Rogers flicky.  I feel like watching a film again other than my own. 

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Posted: 10/8/2017 7:19:43 AM
There's more than one way to solve a problem.  Here is the post that would not post...

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Posted: 10/8/2017 7:32:16 AM
Yeah but it looked like people made up as apes. 

But I'm on that movie's side.  It's fascinating like that movie "The Time Machine" (not the 2001 remake although the remake is good too). 

Those time effects in The Time Machine wasn't perfect at all;  clearly models and stop motion, yet they are irresistable and every time I come across that movie on TV, I have to watch it to the end first.  There are only a few movies like that. 

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Posted: 10/8/2017 8:21:34 AM
 I think it's a matter of what people expect and accept.  In 1969, nobody expected the apes to look like believable apes. We looked at the people in make-up and be were ok with it.  If you think about it, the Star Wars IV- 1976- was the same way.  We were brought into a cantina filled will all kinds of alien races and a band playing alien music but what was it really; a bunch of people wearing static rubber masks while the band played Benny Goodmanesque music yet we were still  ok with it.

Sensibilities change with time and technology.  I agree that today nobody would want to see a movie with Johnny Chambers' ape make-ups and if a movie featured aliens that were simply people wearing rubber masks, audiences  would not be impressed or accepting.....  The one place that unbelievable characters are still accepted is theater.  On stage, people only expect the characters to be a representation rather than a literal translation.  A play that featured talking apes could certainly use Johnny Chambers' ape designs, even today.

Theater celebrates the spirit of being human.  Movies are a commodity.  A product to be packaged and sold.  Indie films could have been more akin to theater but, alas, it seems that all indie film makers sold out and tried to kiss the establishment's ass. I did not get far as an indie film maker but I too was puckered up.

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Posted: 10/8/2017 8:47:12 AM
"all indie film makers sold out and tried to kiss the establishment's ass"

Lol, "indie film makers" just want money, 'sall.  There's no money outside of what you call "the establishment".  People need to make a living.   

But you cannot say I sold out, can you now Jamesy?  Yeah baby!  Artist to the end.  That's me.  Art for art's sake.  Poor as kak.  :)

"I too was puckered up"

I have no idea what that means. 

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Posted: 10/8/2017 11:16:53 AM
 James......"In 1969, nobody expected the apes to look like believable apes." 

Really? Perhaps you've forgotten about 2001 A Space Odyssey.

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Posted: 10/8/2017 11:37:32 AM
I didn't forget anything but I don't see the point of comparing apples to oranges.

Marius, I would never accuse you of being a sell out.  You're a guy who does his own thing.  I think if given a chance and  some decent support, you would produce something that might garner global attention.

"I too was puckered up" 
means that in the world of ass kissing indie film makers, if given a chance I would have been trying to kiss their ass too.  In other words; like everyone else, I would have been trying to make something to get their attention and their approval and ultimately, a job working for them..  To me, that is the wrong way of looking at film making; trying to impress hollywood so they will hire you. I mean, how can creativity breath if one of your  goals is  to  be like them? 

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Posted: 10/8/2017 11:47:03 AM
I was commenting on your blanket statement. They're both movies. Sci-fi. Both big budgets. With apes. Released only a month apart. Not apples and oranges. People knew the apes could be very realistic. You made it sound like people didn't know any better so they gave POTA a pass. It did well for other reasons of course. 
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Posted: 10/8/2017 12:28:29 PM
Now now let's not fight each other to death over which monkeys looked most like monkeys.  I win that anyway with my depiction of "prehistoric men" in this.   

Obviously the Planet Of The Apes thing was meant to have people-apes in them, so the apes looked like people to depict apes that have become humanlike and talking and thinking, while the 2001 space oddysey thing was trying to depict backwards creatures from the dawn of whatever. 

Actually the stupidest thing in that movie was the monolith.  I always felt it's far too simple to be anything so revered.  I might as well revere a shoe box then and scream and go mad when I see it.  Like I did when I bought a second shoe box full of sketchers for $200 and found they are the most uncomfortable crap imaginable and make my foot cramp up.  I lost all my love for Sketchers right there. 

"a person could do a sweet business I think owning a theatre and going all retro. Show nothing but classics"

Only if you combine it with a coffee shop.  The money will come from the food and drink you sell;  you can't really charge much for the moviegoing itself.  You won't get much customers who want to see things from last century. 

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Posted: 10/8/2017 12:47:47 PM
What you said about planet of the apes and space odyssey; that's exactly right. That's what I meant by apples and oranges..

2001 is revered as the greatest Sci-Fi film ever made but my conclusion based on my own opinion along with everything I've ever read about the movie: other people's analysis of the story is that it is a stupid movie.  The ape creatures were pretty cool but the rest of it is like looking at a Jackson Pollock painting.  Everyone thinks they are suppose to like it so they say they do but they really don't.

By the way, the ape creatures were created by Stuart Freeborn.  He is the same man who made Chewbacca and Yoda.

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Posted: 10/8/2017 12:56:30 PM
 I always loved the part in 2001 when the ape threw the bone into the air and it became a spaceship. Great transition through the ages! 

Marius..."Now now let's not fight each other to death over which monkeys looked most like monkeys."      I'm not fighting with James. I like James even though he thinks I'm a suckass. 

Marius..."Actually the stupidest thing in that movie was the monolith."

 I remember as a little kid in the theatre watching this, everyone was asking wtf? 

"What the hell is that thing?"
"Why is it humming?"
"Why is it floating through space now? It was on the moon before. I'm so confused."
"Why is it in his hotel suite now? Is it bringing him some towels?" 

"Only if you combine it with a coffee shop.  The money will come from the food and drink you sell;  you can't really charge much for the moviegoing itself." 

Hell no! This is Vegas baby! Slots and video poker!

Marius again...."
You won't get much customers who want to see things from last century."  

Wrongo Mr. Supermodel. Half of Americans are over 40. That's over 150 million people.The U.S. is teeming with folks with cash in hand all ready to relive their goodtimes from the past! 

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Posted: 10/8/2017 1:03:09 PM
 Yep... Iove revival theaters.  Nothing like going to see Jaws or some other great film from yesteryear on the silver screen.
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Posted: 10/8/2017 1:17:53 PM
"Why is it in his hotel suite now? Is it bringing him some towels?"

How can a monolith bring towels when it doesn't have any hands?? 

That's my point.  The monolith was like the lazy man's special effect. 

Half of Americans are over 40. That's over 150 million people.The U.S. is teeming with folks with cash in hand"

Yeah all over America.  You need them in close proximity. 

But I'm not saying it can't be done.  I just don't know who's going to do it.  You probably need a studio like 20th century fox or something to do it. 

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Posted: 10/8/2017 1:24:43 PM
 "How can a monolith bring towels when it doesn't have any hands??"

That's exactly what I said to the person who asked that question. Stupid people.

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Posted: 10/8/2017 1:29:04 PM
"Stuart Freeborn.  He is the same man who made Chewbacca and Yoda."

I thought Jim Henson made Yoda. 

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Posted: 10/8/2017 1:54:43 PM
 No, but Frank Oz, who worked with Henson on the Sesame Street and the Muppets, was the puppeteer and voice of Yoda.

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Posted: 10/26/2017 11:03:40 AM
Interesting fact; Stuart Freeborn modeled Yoda to have Einstein's eyes... I think they look more like Diana Ross's. I mean the over all look, not the wrinkles.
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Posted: 10/26/2017 12:13:39 PM
Yeah I didn't really believe Yoda.  I felt he belongs on Sesame Street as one of the grandpas. 

But what really was anticlimactic was when he disappeared with a half second cross fade.  And that was supposed to be a sad, emotional death.  I'm like really?  No little twinkly magic stars or glowy animated spirit flying off and saying "good bye.  Good bye adakin skywalker"....  ok something was wrong with that but I don't care what it is. 

If I made Star Wars, I would have done a proper job of the whole thing.  But then it probably wouldn't have been a commercial success.  To reach the lowest masses, you have to dumb it all down to very, very, very, very, simple thingies like hand puppets.  Which is what Zuma did (I forgot his name.  Oh yeah, Lucas) and then...

ok I forgot my train of thought. 

Hey, I like trains, speaking of which.  Look at this: 


Apparently the Nazi's built a golden train.  I just read when I searched for golden train.  And lo and behold, we're back to hitler. 

Seems you can't research any subject without landing on Hitler. 

Anyway, here's my kind of train wagon:

I like the general idea but I really like it more when the chairs are bolted to the floor so they don't all fly all over the place when the train makes a hasty stop. 

And now I've tired myself out. 


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Posted: 10/26/2017 1:31:15 PM
 You do realize that Star Wars was a global phenomenon.  It crossed all boundaries; race, religion, classes, education levels.  EVERYONE was blown away by Star Wars!!!   and I should know.  I personally asked everyone.

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Posted: 10/26/2017 10:15:26 PM
Global pheromones??????????????

Oh wait.  Phenomenon.  I always misread those two. 

Yes well, so are fidget spinners.  Can you explain that?  Doesn't say much for what humans jump onto as "global phenomenons", does it now. 

Ooooh, look at this beauty: 

Now THAT'S a fidget spinner! 

Anyway, just because something is marketed as "a global phenomenon", doesn't mean that .......  oops, gotta go to work. 

We'll finish this later.

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Posted: 10/27/2017 5:07:40 AM
It was not marketed as a global phenomenon. It became one. Nobody expected it. Not even George Lucas.... and how can you compare Star Wars to a fidget spinner? Pet rocks, fidget spinners, Pepsi clear, moon walking; these are novelties, fads.. Really, Marius, if you want me to take you seriously you're going to have to try a little harder. You asked if Star Wars is good.. Yes, it is.
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Posted: 10/27/2017 6:27:28 AM
You're a phenomenon

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Posted: 10/28/2017 11:00:11 AM
Star Wars is the ultimate cult movie! It's so huge an entity that people forget that alot. Most people tag "cult" to some obscure movie that most never heard of but Star Wars set the bar that no other feature will probably ever match in our lifetimes. I woud love to see Lucas do another completetely different theme and go with SteamBoy live action or similiar pushing the bounds to the xtreme limits again.
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Posted: 10/28/2017 1:09:49 PM
Why?  Is there like a shortage of movies?

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Posted: 10/28/2017 2:01:27 PM
 I don't know, Marius.  I guess you're either a fan or you're not but, the fact is, billions of people were moved by Star Wars IV - VI. ... Episodes I - III sucked big time though..
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