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Sv Bell | Black Flag Pictures
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Posted: 9/12/2016 5:09:21 AM
...I guess everyone is working on their next blockbuster! 
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mokkimachi
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Posted: 9/12/2016 1:49:53 PM
We&apo;re just busy but we&apo;re here.   Save
mokkimachi
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Posted: 9/14/2016 12:17:35 PM
Nobody else?


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Posted: 11/29/2016 12:14:30 PM
The curious thing is that even though almost nobody posts anything these days, some of the threads are getting a lot of views. ....... A forum with nothing but lurkers and no participation might as well be dead...... There has got to be a page on FB that has active members that talk about movie making. I've looked and have found a few but guess what? not a lot of people participate there either.... I don't get it. 6 or 10 years ago there were many film making boards and they all had plenty going on.. I had a forum myself about 10 or more years ago. I started it on one of those sites that let you build your own forum... Back then I had 30 or more members in a few months. What gives? Is the indie scene dead or do people just lurk around the internet for info and watch Youtube videos.... I really do think society is beginning to crumble. I look around me and all I see are people staring at there cel phones like mindless zombies.
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Posted: 11/29/2016 8:22:11 PM
Views count and hits are usually bots. In truth, robots represents about 80% of the traffic online. And Netflix alone sucks up nearly 70% of the planet&apo;s bandwidth.
Mike Conway
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Posted: 11/29/2016 9:21:07 PM
 The recession killed the indie dream for most.  AFM deals dropped off.  Blockbuster, Hollywood Video, etc. went the way of the Dodo.  The DVD format is dying and Blu-ray isn't picking up the slack.  Streaming seems to be the wave of the future, but instead of replacing the disc medium, it hasn't become indie friendly, yet.  Most new formats experience a surge, but moving away from a physical delivery format has thwarted the indie market.

I have many people asking for my movies, so they can show them on their Roku channels, but they offer crap for compensation.  The culture has changed into something where viewers want content for free or cheap.  Think Napster.  You can watch just about any new release via pirated Firestick or internet content.

Unlike the days of cheap STAR TREK and INCREDIBLE HULK episodes, quite a few of today's viewers are armchair blog critics that poo poo anything short of excellent and expensive looking.  That makes it hard for those who aren't superior visual graphics artists.

Perhaps this culling of the filmmaker herd is a good thing for those still in the hunt.  I do plan on taking another shot at making a feature, but I'm not going to drain my bank account to do it.  The reward seems to be cheap pay-outs, so I'm only going to take relative financial risk.

On the positive side, some people still do alright.  My friend, Michael Bartlett gets his movies into Wal-Mart and Redbox.  Some of those titles are ZOMBIE DIARIES (1 and 2), TREEHOUSE, and PARANORMAL DIARIES.

I have to agree that cell phones, tablets, etc. have turned us into mindless zombies.  :>)

mokkimachi
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Posted: 11/29/2016 11:36:32 PM
Maybe the reason nobody's involved with indie filmmaking forums no more, is because nobody's doing it no more.  Not the way we did it when we were growing up anyway.   

Nobody needs advice or how-to's.  All they need is a smartphone tablet on which you press record and viola!  The most beautiful 4K movie starts to record and can be seen all across the globe in seconds. 

Add filters and music and auto editing and stunning, mind blowing special effects like automatically with the most powerful, easy apps conceivable. 

Us and our puny painstakingly-made movies are no match.  We just look stupid or pitiful at best.  

But we'll do it anyway.  We'll hold our heads high in shame.  For we are:  FILMMAKERS!  Those of us who aren't bots anyway.        


I do plan on taking another shot at making a feature, but I'm not going to drain my bank account to do it.  The reward seems to be cheap pay-outs, so I'm only going to take relative financial risk. 


I love filmmaking and have been doing it to the detrement of my financial health and emotional health and interpersonal relationships and then some.  I just love it.  The filmmaking part I mean.   

But yes, you touched here on something that the right brain of mine always asks:  Why? 

WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY? 

Why hope for some return on investment in "indie film", or do filmmaking outside of a studio system at all, when you can be assured of returns by doing, well just about ANYTHING else: 

- Plant a few pecan nut trees in your back yard.  Viola!  Yearly income. 

- Do peer 2 peer lending.  Viola!  Beautiful returns of just under 30 per cent a year. 

- Put a single million dollars into government bonds.  Viola!  10 per cent return per year, which means a passive income of $8,000 a month for 5 years.  Not sure what the cost of living is in the U.S., but if I got $8,000 a month I'd do nothing but play outside in the shade eating fruit and drinking water and play with my monkey.  .... Ok, so I'll probably be making films.  I can't stop.    

- Keep pigs in the back yard and feed them all your leftovers then sell the pigs at auction every 6 months or so.  Viola!  Whatever you can get at the time is straight into your pocket as lovely cash, should you ask for a cash cheque during payment. 

- Buy shares in companies until you have shares in about 1,000 companies.  Some go up, some go down, but holistically you win over 18 months or more. 


Anyway, may sound like I'm preaching not to make films.  No, make films.  Make your films.  Let's all make our films. 

Just saying it's always been a conflict of mine.  Should I be spending all the time making a movie, or should I be doing something productive like making money that can be used for survival and medical care when needed?

I end up making movies most always.  I'm so screwed if I ever get a serious problem that money can fix.  I've spent all my fortunes on film related requirements.  CURSE YOU FILMMAKING ADDICTION!!!!!  

My filmmaking addiction has turned me into the shell of a man I am today....  *sniff* :(

Well gotta go.  I'm making a film over at my studio.   


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Posted: 11/30/2016 5:34:10 AM
Mike, you can count me in for whatever kind of FX you will need on the next one.... and don't worry. I'm a little bit more tame these days :) I agree, Marius, there is something about film making that makes us have to do it. It's like we have no choice.. I've almost given up on making any money at all with the things I do (CGI, monsters, props) but I just can't stop!!! (music fades in ..'they're coming to take me away haha- to the funny farm, with all those nice young men dressed in white- haha haha..'.................................................... There's one idea I've come up with to possibly get people to want to pay to see an Indie film. Besides the film looking like it might be interesting, give something physical to your buying audience. For my movie, if I end up self distributing (yes Marius, I do think about distribution too) I was thinking of giving either a lenticular photo from the movie or a small figure of one of the characters. 1 per sale. Offer a choice of pictures and figures but only one per sale. The cost for each of these things will be less than a dollar and the customer will pay a nominal amount for shipping....... I do have one other idea but it's not mine. In the 80s or 90s I remember tv commercials for videos on how to use Windows, or Microsoft Office. They were instructional videos that came on CD (or DVD. I can't remember) but here's where the marketing brilliance comes in; Each CD title only cost 1 cent!! Plus $3 or $4 shipping and handling... They made their money from the shipping and handling charges. Their CD that cost them around 20 cents to produce earned them nearly $2 or $3 gross profit!!
mokkimachi
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Posted: 11/30/2016 6:40:45 AM
I didn't see Mike asking for your services. 

And Microsoft and James Rogers Productions don't have an equal amount of fuckers waiting to buy the headache-inducing crap so I'm not sure it'll work the same way. 

But perhaps if you think of something such as hiding a $50 bill in one lucky DVD case in full view of a crowd while you stand on the street corner and let people pay $2 for each case hoping it's the one with the lucky $50 inside, you'll sell them sort of as lucky lotto tickets.  People love gambling.

And even the losers don't go away empty-handed - they have gained your movie!    

Just don't actually have one with $50 inside or you'll go broke.   

I enjoy your ambitions.  Still so youthful, packed to the rafters with hope.  Never lose your optimism, kid!

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Posted: 11/30/2016 1:04:42 PM
Totally right Mike, it's crazy how many offers we're getting for our movies...!!! Hundreds of companies out there want to launch their own channels and streaming biz, and ask filmmakers to provide content, in return of revenue share. These deals are worthless, which doesn't necesseraly mean the companies are all crooks. Streaming simply doesn't generate anything, so filmmakers end up splitting a piece of nothing with the broadcaster.

After all, if Netflix and Youtube struggle to break even - with sixty million paid subscribers for Netflix, and over a billion daily viewers for Youtube - what are the changes for small indie broadcaster to make money, let alone split these profits with content providers...!!

Mike Conway
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Posted: 12/1/2016 12:59:14 AM
 Thanks for the FX offer, James!  I have to admit that I'm a bit more tame, myself.  
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